Gar and Vivien talk about the big Doctor Who news. Christmas special cancelled! Russell T Davies and Bad Wolf out! Doctor Who being put out to tender!

They examine the nature and fallout of the BBC announcement, speculating about what brought us to this point. They analyse the strengths and shortcomings of the RTD2 era for the umpteenth time and imagine a future for the show liberated from what came before. 

It's a bittersweet conversation marking the end of Doctor Who as we've known it for the past 20 years and also Wholistic itself as it looks to regenerate into something else. Stay tuned!