Hello again. This is the conclusion of the rad interview I did with Michael Patrick from Neon Neuron.

Michael is a warm, interesting and welcoming individual who hosts a podcast about art and creative types. He listened to my MK ULTRA series, shit his pants, and subsequently wanted to talk with me about my process and the origin of Up Is Down. So we Skyped it up and had a great conversation about podcasting and why we do it, what we like about it, why we make art and how art and creativity informs our ability to think critically about the world and how we use that to produce new and different forms of art (podcasts).

We also talk about all the great fringe topics that interest us like mind control, media narratives, addiction, racism, child trafficking, mythology, love and marriage (and divorce), history, and loads of talk about ART and what it means to us and why we do it.

This was a great conversation with a lot of background about me and the podcast. It was such a joy to take a break from all the darkness and just have a conversation. Look forward to more interviews with interesting people as I feel the podcast pivoting again. Of course I will still produce powerful pieces of informational art to feed your mind, but expect more occasional shows like this one.

Check out Michael's podcast NEON NEURON to learn more about him and his interests:
https://www.neonneuron.com

He can also be found on iTunes and Anchor

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***Special thanks to Owen Rundquist for the expressed permission to use some music from his incredible band ANICON*** So great.

Check them out here:
https://anicon.bandcamp.com/track/a-hole-in-the-shape-of-god

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