There's a strong precedent of women in far right communities, but what roles do they play in them? In this episode, Lo is join by Emily Gorcenski, Jake Hanrahan,Daniel Lombroso, Jane Fae, and Dr Eviane Leidig to discuss the gender ideology of right wing extremism, from tradwifes to neo-nazi mysticism. About Lois Shearing:Lo Shearing is an activist, freelance journalist and writer based in London.Their writing has been published by The Independent, The Advocate, DIVA magazine, Gay Star News, INTO, and Openly and their first book Bi the Way, is available now. They are the founder of the Bisexual Survivors Network and are the founder of the #DoBetterBiUs campaign, which aims to challenge biphobia.Book: https://www.waterstones.com/book/bi-the-way/lois-shearing//9781787752900Website: https://faithfullwords.wordpress.comTwitter: @loshearingKofi: https://ko-fi.com/loisshearingInterviewees: Emily Gorcenski - www.emilygorcenski.comJake Hanrahan - www.jakehanrahan.comDaniel Lombroso - http://www.daniellombroso.comDr Eviane Leidig - www.evianeleidig.comJane Fae - twitter.com/JaneFae?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^authorQuoted sources: https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/state-of-hate-2019-final-1.pdfhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/elliot-rodger-puahate-forever-alone-reddit-forumshttps://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/going-dark-julia-ebner-review-jessica-stern/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/donald-trump-religious-right-george-floyd-racismhttps://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/undercover-women-social-media-extremists-want-traditional-roles-return/384588/https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/12/far-right-talk-about-women-and-girls-same-way-they-talk-about-land-and-territoryhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/far-right-uk-brexit-muslims-tommy-robinson-protests-extremism-a9011171.htmlhttps://www.salon.com/2019/07/14/alt-right-handmaidens-and-the-white-baby-challenge/A huge thank you to my voice actors, Alex Dytrych, Saddie Clark, Sophie Connor, Tom Naylor-Clements, Polly Davies, and Dr Pip Williams.Transcript: it started with concerns about ethics in gaming journalism %HESITATION well accurately it didn't gamergate as it came to be known was started by Erin Joni when he posted a blog falsely accusing his ex girlfriend so we Quinn of sleeping with a journalist in exchange for positive reviews of her in the game it snowballed into months of targeted harassment against several prominent women involved in gaming at its core gamergate was a right wing reactionary backlash against feminism is growing influence on gaming culture it was in this fertile soil the sum of the seeds of what would become the old right sprouted many of the figureheads and tactics used in gamergate became key components of the movement also mixed into the shit he put the %HESITATION right grew out of was of course the menace fear as we discussed in the last episode the man is fair has played a key role in the radicalization of many young men into the open spot right in twenty nineteen U. K. anti extremism charity hope not hate included the mantis Faye and estate of hate report here's a quote from that report one influence on the contemporary far right understanding of gender politics is the manifestation of this collection of websites forums blogs and vlogs concerned with men's issues and masculinity oriented around opposition to feminism and within pots embrace of extreme misogyny the prevailing interpretation within the menace that is the feminism is about promoting the Sandry contempt of purchase of men rather than gender equality and later on in that report they say the ministry is core ideas have snowballed into an ideology that has taken on a life of its own outside of its online each in part because the rejection of feminism a broader conspiratorial outlook continue to find resonance with the wide at contemporary far right ironically a big seller in in the pipeline from the menace fit to the all right what's the website and community known as P. U. a hate dot com that's pick up artistry hate dot com well this might sound like a group of sensible people rallying against creeps who've game ified human intimacy and deeply walked the way that many young men view women it was actually a group of guys frustrated with pick up artistry because it didn't work for them and somehow that's women spoke you may recognize the name P. U. a hate dot com from being name checked in the manifesto of the Santa Barbara Modra and the Raja Nicky Woolf wrote in twenty fourteen I need some of these forums and subreddits was P. way hate dot com which one user described as one of the few truly Redhill communities founded to such rise and discredit pickup artists it became a place by sexually frustrated men could go to vent and show students scientific theories about within so unlike traditional far right movements which it deeply misogynistic often more driven by white supremacy and hatred of ethnic minorities reactionary misogyny anti feminism is baked into the foundations of the old right don't get me wrong all right is a white supremacist movement but whereas no such me could be seen as more of a by product of the far right ideologies it's a core component of the %HESITATION right yet women play crucial roles within these communities often in ways that seem to contradict what they themselves as saying I'm also sharing I'm an old five journalist and activist based in the UK in this series I'll be exploring how women a radicalized intellectual far right hatred and violence this is a family of radicalization episode two went to the pub all right has always been a male supremacist movement which views women as subservient however what exactly that subservience looks like defense lightly between the different groups %HESITATION within the alt right it's more of a kind of %HESITATION these pathetic loser this is so it's so cringe but you know these kind of tried to you know traditional %HESITATION ideology where they they basically want to live in a kind of world where women stay at home and they cook and they have only one sexual partner and you know it's it's that kind of I was like living in the forties or something and it would be like to weeds on Twitter that kind of say they want to live like that was really be an absolute like sexual deviants on pornhub was quiet when it so you get that side of it with them they will accept women within the all right if they kind of fit into that gap like if they do you know if they kind of fit within the metal prime as well they want to be like but I'm generally aware the more extreme like neo Nazis knowledge optimal from the seeds the conical cultists Satan is no Nazism that is different that's more like all women I just objects and we will treat them as such and if they wanna be treated any other way than that useless and they should be killed or whatever you know what I mean it's very doc that was J. Kammer hand a journalist who spent several years undercover investigating neo Nazi and far right groups the view that we need to return to a world where women and just how many kids and baby make is is known as a trad wife movement and is surprisingly popular with both men and women just a note I'm going to be talking mostly about men and women in this series because those are the only genders that these groups recognize the far right's world view doesn't have much room for non binary and gender non conforming individuals I will be talking about transphobia a little later back to trap wives in article red pill factories just custom sums up the truck wife movement as such like the other groups that make up the misogynistic online community known as the man is fair tried wives believe the heterosexual world to be a market place where women of the sellers and man the buyers of sex a woman's sexual market value will SNV is a measure of her appeal to men only appearances matter a sense of humor and education or exotic interests are irrelevant the tribe wife movement isn't strictly out right it doesn't necessarily have a political position of the advocating for a return to traditional gender roles I love the track wife movement overlaps with the fundamental Christine right which is probably what go to find Celinda in general that's a lot of overlap between these groups of in the five right but many of them having similar ideologies and visions but different plans of how to achieve them the Christian right movement was started by Jerry Falwell senior who mobilized white Christians to oppose desegregating schools since then it has fought against pretty much any kind of progress in regards to human rights by claiming that they infringe on religious liberties office Sarah Posner explains today trump space echoes similar claims the prosecution came in the LGBTQ plus rights for example infringe on Christians religious freedom all the state governors restrictions on large gatherings during the cave in nineteen pandemic infringe on the fast and the rights of churches throughout his candidacy and presidency white evangelicals a step behind trump because many of them say his teammates privileges freedom president in history so while the tried wife movement stretches across the spectrum of the political right the %HESITATION right view of womanhood it's pretty much built on its ideas women are objectified not only as sexual objects like Jake mentioned but as pellets of western civilization that not only need to be protected by men but also a reward for the man the fighting to uphold west in society his doctor even leading a researcher focusing on gender on the far right and who has an upcoming book exploring female far right influences I think the message to these men as fast you know if you join our movement of five other women like us so it's sort of like this attention may try to offer %HESITATION and in many ways you know these women are seeking to delegitimize a generalized %HESITA