On today's episode, host Martin Devlin catches up with outgoing All Blacks manager Darren Shand, in a very special interview. Shand joined the All Blacks in 2004 and will have been part of five Rugby World Cup campaigns by the time he departs. He offers fantastic insight into the working mind of the All Blacks manager, the highs and lows of the job, any regrets, and more. Plus, Martin and producer Lachlan Waugh preview the final round of Super Rugby Pacific, Australian rugby broadcaster Brett McKay discusses whether or not Eddie Jones will step down as Wallabies coach after the Word Cup, Northern Mystics assistant coach Rob Wright talks about his career so far - including some infamous moments - and Greg Martin chats State of Origin and an unattractive try celebration that is taking over rugby and rugby league. All this and more!