We don’t often get a Bachelor date with so many red flags to unpack all at once, but the one-on-one between Jenn and Sam M. was really chock full of concerning moments. In this Bachelorette recap of episode 4 of Jenn’s Bachelorette season, we break down each interaction from this date and what went wrong, from the way he unilaterally made decisions on her behalf to ignoring her feelings and boundaries— and also the complex way Jenn herself responded to the stressful situation.

We also talk about Jenn and Marcus who make notable strides in their connection this week, as well as what we know about Jenn’s ex Matthew who she apparently only dated for a few months several years ago.

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