Joshua Lilly (spiritual name: VanMon) was brought into the Global Community Communications Alliance UFO cult as a kid, kicked out as a teenager, and joined again as an adult. Practically his entire family is still in the group.

In this in-depth conversation, Josh relates the path that drew him to Gabriel of Urantia (twice). We also discuss cult members' motivations, cult "mind control" techniques, how the group gets its money, and the spiritual elitism in our culture.