We are thrilled to have Reverend Kerra English, spiritual director, retreat leader, pastor, and a no bullshit guide join us today to talk about the many pathways of pilgrimage. In this invitational and thoughtful conversation Kerra talks to us about leading with curiosity, recognizing when things need to shift, and all the ways that pilgrimage is really about opening your eyes, your heart and your mind, to the world around you. When we are invited into new ways of knowing whether it be through a conversation with a fellow traveler, or through a Psilocybin study at John’s Hopkins, we become more ourselves.

We are thankful to Kerra for her work in the world and for her new book dropping in June of 2025 True Awakening: The Highs, the Lows, and the Mess of Spiritual Transformation.

Cool stuff we talked about this episode (or meant to anyways):

• Love is People By Mr. Rogers
• RUAH School
• Doug Ottati
• Kerra’s Website

Chapters
00:00 The Essence of Love and Community
03:28 Curiosity as a Spiritual Gift
08:40 Understanding Pilgrimage
13:45 Navigating the Dark Night of the Soul
18:41 The Importance of Community and Vulnerability
21:47 Guidance Through Change and Despair
24:02 The Quest for Authentic Truth
25:34 Braving the Wilderness: Spiritual Journeys
27:56 Courageous Spirituality and Personal Growth
32:34 Transformation in the Dark
35:38 Exploring Psychedelic Spirituality
38:55 Building Community and Connection
43:05 Exploring Key Themes and Insights