In this episode, editor and translator Çiğdem Öztürk’s guests are the artist Gülsün Karamustafa who will participate in the Istanbul Biennial for the 4th time this year, joined by musician and sound designer Selim Atakan who collaborated with Karamustafa on many of her projects. The conversation is accompanied by their musical collaborations 'Male Cries', 'Stairs', 'Fugitive', 'Data of the Square' and 'Secret Panther Fashion in the City'.