In this episode Kai, Leo and Simon discuss the ancient Stoic approach to love and its natural course, as well as its use for the Sage. To hear the entire conversation, including the Q&A with other Patreon members who were also in attendance, go to patreon.com/simonjedrew/. About Kai Whiting: Kai Whiting is a researcher and lecturer in sustainability and Stoicism based at UCLouvain, Belgium. He Tweets @kaiwhiting and blogs over at StoicKai.com.  About Leonidas Konstantakos: Leonidas Konstantakos is a PhD candidate working on Stoicism and International Relations, especially Stoic just war theory. He, along with Kai Whiting, is the co-author of “Being Better, Stoicism for a World Worth Living in”.  To listen to the entire conversation (about 60 minutes extra) you can go to patreon.com/simonjedrew/ and sign up for any tier level. To register to attend any of the next conversations with Kai and Leo you can visit simonjedrew.com/patreon/ To buy Being Better — Stoicism for a World Worth Living in please visit: https://www.amazon.com/Being-Better-Stoicism-World-Living/dp/1608686930 To get coaching with Simon, go to simonjedrew.com/coaching/ To support the podcast, go to patreon.com/simonjedrew/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices