We are joined by the lawyer and university lecturer Adeyinka Makinde for the second instalment of a two-part interview centring in his recent article, "The Pan-Islamic Option : The West's Part in the Creation and Sustaining of Islamist Terror". In this second part we discuss some of the historical background to the West's use and support of violent Islamist groups, looking at examples of German, British and US policy since the early days of the Twentieth Century. Adeyinka Makinde trained for the law as a barrister. He lectures in criminal law and public law at a university in London, and has an academic research interest in intelligence & security matters. He is a contributor to a number of websites for which he has written essays and commentaries on international relations, politics and military history. He has served as a programme consultant and provided expert commentary for BBC World Service Radio, China Radio International and the Voice of Russia. (For show notes please visit http://themindrenewed.com)